Let me tell you my experience. I wanted to play GT5 for a couple hours yesterday, and i popped it in and there was an update that was over 100MB. Ok, so it took around 8 mins to download that. Then i get the game up and i download the 8GB of it on my HDD. It estimates that this will take 20 mins, but it actually took around 40 mins. At one point it actually told me 3 seconds and it showed that for 4 mins. I must say, Wow. Thanks for the approximate time, that was very useful. Then i actually get into the game and the controls are terrible. X for accelerate? What? Is this 2000? Then i got to playing some, and there are a bunch of small things i just hate about this game. One of them is loading times. 8GB and still long. What do you think? Let down?